RIT Antiwar Counter-Recruits

Nice job, guys!

RIT takin’ a lead! Thanks y’all. This gives our chapter some food for thought. —Ben Ratliffe, UW-Madison

AWESOME.

Hillarious!!!

love the last one : )

Very Impressive….proud of you and your organization lil bro…..keep it up! But make sure you keep your grades up as well. Love you!

Great job, everyone! I’d heard some info that this action was a success…by the sounds of it, it most certainly was. Keep the pressure on!

Tim

This was probably the most ignorant attempt to cause controversy at an otherwise peaceful event.

Most of your signs were hastily made from what seems like minutes before the protest, which is a testament to how much effort you actually put into this demonstration.

Several of the students involved in the display are notorious trouble makers on campus. Nothing shows an organization that prides itself on morals, work ethic and team work, than a display from several students that are on disciplinary probation, and have been arrested for assault on Park Point premises, let alone drug charges.

Poverty draft? Go look at the percentages of below-median drug charges, violent crimes, average income, crime rate, rape statistics, and then tell me you’d rather see these people on your streets, in your neighborhood, or in the military learning values, work ethic, and if nothing else, discipline.

Money For College, Not for War. Do you have any idea how many students get the chance at a better life, better career because of the military? Is that even a serious statement? How little research did you actually do into how many students are able to go to school ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF THE ARMED FORCED?

Do you have any idea how many jobs the united states military provides? Do you have any idea how much of their budget, and how much of the recruitment raisings eventually make their way to the national guard?

People compare the the amount of money spent on one recruit, and how much spent per the average student, and how the figures are off. THAT IS BECAUSE THE RECRUITS SIGN ON BONUS AND PAY IS INCLUDED IN THE FIGURE. THAT IS 100% BIASED AND COMPLETELY SKEWED INFORMATION. THAT IS NOT HOW MUCH IS SPENT TARGETING AND MARKETING TO POTENTIAL RECRUITS.

Iraq Veterans against the War? I’m not sure there has been a weaker organization of Veterans with a misguided and ambiguous goal in our history as a country. The only veterans with a right to be upset are those that were stop lossed.

Anti War Vets attacked by police? No, no, no. Clever headline, too bad the “Socialist Worker” (unbiased? are you serious?) didn’t get all the facts straight.

These vets didn’t get permission to ask the candidates questions, as they had asked. For some reason, they thought it was a good idea to go ahead and try to enter the Hofstra building anyway. They were told they weren’t allowed to enter, and asked to step away from the building, as per legal law enforcement. They then tried to ENTER ANYWAY, and then MARCHED THE ENTIRE RALLY toward the building.

Hmm, epic election, heightened security, yeah, probably a good idea to break into the building. I’m sorry, and with utmost respect to the intelligent and civil protesters involved, they got what they deserved.

This attempt at a political statement was nothing more than a shoddily put together display of hypocrisy by a group of students with nothing better to do than attempt to cause controversy and a fake sense of self accomplishment with issues they knew nothing about.

This previous post was nothing more than a shoddily put together display of hypocrisy by a lone idiot, with nothing better to do than attempt to justify insane policies and institutions that are sinking into the abyss of history like the Titanic.

If you spent half the time paying attention to reality that you spend seething in your thermal underwear in front of your Dell flat screen at the rising progressive movement that stands to upend your silly ideas about what is American, you might realize that even most recruiters realize they are bribing youth with money and prizes, in exchange for the use of their minds and bodies to kill and maim people in other lands. But a job is a job isn’t it?

People died for your right to protest….so you shouldn’t protest? Patriot or hypocrite? The look on your face on Nov 4th must have been priceless.

>This was probably the most ignorant attempt to cause controversy at an otherwise peaceful event.

Peaceful? The last word I would ever use to describe the military is peaceful. We didn’t create controversy, the military did by coming to our school. Most of the country is opposed to the war in Iraq and the government is sending people to recruit students to go fight and die there. You make it sound like we were protesting a soup kitchen. We were protesting the military trying to recruit our fellow students to go out and kill people, just as we would if the mafia was recruiting our fellow students to go out and kill people.

>Most of your signs were hastily made from what seems like minutes before the protest, which is a testament to how much effort you actually put into this demonstration.

Unlike the military, the government isn’t spending trillions of dollars of taxpayer money on us.

>Several of the students involved in the display are notorious trouble makers on campus. Nothing shows an organization that prides itself on morals, work ethic and team work, than a display from several students that are on disciplinary probation, and have been arrested for assault on Park Point premises, let alone drug charges.

Even if a few of students involved were “notorious troublemakers”, which I am not aware of, do you think we should have excluded these students? Do past mistakes take away a person’s free speech rights? Has the “trouble” they caused come anywhere near the “trouble” caused by the people running our country?

>Poverty draft? Go look at the percentages of below-median drug charges, violent crimes, average income, crime rate, rape statistics, and then tell me you’d rather see these people on your streets, in your neighborhood, or in the military learning values, work ethic, and if nothing else, discipline.

Wow, I’m at a loss of how to respond to this one.

>Money For College, Not for War. Do you have any idea how many students get the chance at a better life, better career because of the military? Is that even a serious statement? How little research did you actually do into how many students are able to go to school ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF THE ARMED FORCED?

Actually, the idea that the joining the military will help you get a career in the real world is propaganda. People who come back from the military and get good careers do it in spite of being in the military, not because of it. Veterans are expected to come back from combat situations and then somehow immediately adapt back into normal society and it doesn’t always happen. It is estimated that 1/3 of all homeless people are veterans.

Also, the military keeps trying to break its promises to send people to college and these are promises that the Antiwar movement in general have been trying to pressure the military to keep. The Campus Antiwar Network stands in full support of veterans and veterans benefits.

>Do you have any idea how many jobs the united states military provides? Do you have any idea how much of their budget, and how much of the recruitment raisings eventually make their way to the national guard?

How about instead of spending these trillions of dollars creating dangerous jobs in the military that involve the destruction of other countries and the deaths of innocent people, we spend those trillions of dollars creating jobs here at home. We give people jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure or researching better technology to help the environment or cure diseases. No matter how we spend that money, we’d be creating jobs. So, why not do something productive with it.

>People compare the the amount of money spent on one recruit, and how much spent per the average student, and how the figures are off. THAT IS BECAUSE THE RECRUITS SIGN ON BONUS AND PAY IS INCLUDED IN THE FIGURE. THAT IS 100% BIASED AND COMPLETELY SKEWED INFORMATION. THAT IS NOT HOW MUCH IS SPENT TARGETING AND MARKETING TO POTENTIAL RECRUITS.

I’m not sure what you are talking about here. Perhaps you could explain it better and without the caps lock.

>Iraq Veterans against the War? I’m not sure there has been a weaker organization of Veterans with a misguided and ambiguous goal in our history as a country. The only veterans with a right to be upset are those that were stop lossed.

Umm, what is your argument here? Basically, you seem to be saying that you don’t support the troops unless they agree with you and then don’t provide a real explanation for this. Also, maybe I’m wrong on this, but my impression from talking to veterans is that most veterans end up getting stop lossed.

>Anti War Vets attacked by police? No, no, no. Clever headline, too bad the “Socialist Worker” (unbiased? are you serious?) didn’t get all the facts straight.

First off, the vets were attacked and trampled by the police. There’s even video footage. Your later arguments about whether or not they deserved it (really, you think our veterans deserve to get trampled?), don’t change what the police did.

Second, Socialist Worker doesn’t claim to be unbiased, in fact the name makes it pretty clear where it stands. Any newspaper anywhere that claims to be unbiased is full of crap. You’d have to be incredibly naive to take any newspaper and accept everything it says as pure unbiased truth. The difference is that Socialist Worker tells you up front who’s side it is on.

>This attempt at a political statement was nothing more than a shoddily put together display of hypocrisy by a group of students with nothing better to do than attempt to cause controversy and a fake sense of self accomplishment with issues they knew nothing about.

Once again, we’re not “causing” controversy. The recruiters are trying to recruit our fellow students to go out and kill people. That’s pretty controversial without us going in and “causing” any.

Also, if you stopped to talk with us at the event, we could have probably had a very good discussion and you would have seen that we’re not doing this out of “a fake sense of self accomplishment” but in an ernest attempt to try to end the immoral wars our government is participating in. If you had stopped and talked with us, you would have also realized that a large number of the students there were incredibly informed about what is going on in the middle east.

I encourage you to come talk to us next time so we can have an honest discussion, rather than just coming up with a long rant.

A lot of your argument/rant seems to stem out of a disagreement of tactics: i.e. you are saying we are going at things the wrong way. But it is impossible for us to agree on tactics when we obviously disagree on a goal: should we be in Iraq or not? And so that is the argument you should really be bringing up. Why do you think we should be in Iraq? As long as we disagree on whether or not we should be in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc, of course we’re going to disagree on the way in which we protest these wars.

I don’t know if the internet is the best place for a fruitful discussion on this topic, but I encourage you to come discuss your rationale for supporting the war in Iraq with some of us. This seems like it would be much more productive than something like your rant, where instead of being productive, you do the very thing you accuse us of doing and “attempt to cause controversy and a fake sense of self accomplishment.”